THE FLACCID "PRO-ARMS" ARGUMENT AND IMPOTENT BELIEVERS

(EDIT: Alex Jones illustrates another side of this-- the rabid dog, foaming at the mouth. ) http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2013/01/08/pmt-bts-jones-gun-control-debate.cnn

I am sorry because I know some of you are friends, but do you realise how ridiculous you all sound?

And let's be clear that the lies and insults are what piss me off.   When you post memes with fucked up facts you don't check.  When you resort to "hell-fire and brimstone" speeches worthy of the best "backwoods hillbilly, 700 Club subscribing" fundamentalists about what is going to happen if even the gun show loophole gets closed.  (Capitialism will collapse, we will be come a fascist state, and there will be rioting and looting in the streets, since the only thing holding back the "apocalypse" is your guns.)

And please understand what we are saying when we say "gun show loophole", we mean "private party including gun show sales".  Let's be clear that at gun shows it is often organized by people that make the vendors adhere to public seller laws and many of the vendors are licensed sellers.

But please review the following article to understand EXACTLY what we are talking about so that you can properly respond.

Perhaps it is unfortunate that our description isn't accurate.  However, you are on the defense right now.  If you want to convince us to let you keep your guns legally then you do need to be able to respond to what we are saying accurately.  Sorry.  We need facts and logic.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1006326

Trust me, your ridiculous logic is not even worthy of contempt.  It is jaw-dropping and piteous.

(The NRA spends a lot of money to keep you on their side. Far more than our side has, too.)

But then you have to throw in that shit like "if you don't like this country, then leave it" often with some variation of "you'd be speaking German and sucking Russian cock if it weren't for macho, gun waving people like me, and so you don't deserve to live here, and don't forget, I have a gun and you don't so you better shut the fuck up."

Or "Hitler Stalin and Obama are all pro-Gun control, and Thomas Jefferson wanted you to own a gun."

And (the best): Sandy Hook was some sort of conspiracy perpetrated by the imaginary ANTI-gun lobby to create smokescreen to get fascist anti-gun laws passed.

(And this imaginary lobby is  supposedly led by Obama--who, btw, worked for a pro-gun lobby and to us "anti-gun or stricter laws" folks is actually considered to be one of you. Just really quiet about it. President Obama really has done NOTHING on gun control, as far as I am concerned.  Do you understand that?  Whatever he does from here on out you have already condemned him to our side-- even though we do not see him among us!... Yet...)

Your arguments all boil down to "I want my gun and I don't feel safe without it, and I am not the kind of person that would buy one illegally, so I am just gonna make shit up and use bad logic and insult you."

So watch this, and you will see and hear just how ridiculous these arguments sound.  We don't really even have to insult you back (although the memes and conspiracy theories sure do invite it).  No, your own arguments do quite well on their own.

The pro-gun logic leads straight to "legalised nuclear weapons and heroin for everyone"lol:

http://www.upworthy.com/watch-hyper-pro-gun-activists-argument-gets-destroyed-by-smart-ladys-calm-decenc?g=2&c=upw1

Your arguments are limp and flaccid.  They all boil down to your own fear and inadequacy.  You need a big metal dick, a "killing penis",  to feel like someone adequate to living in these times and remain safe.

You can't navigate this world without a gun.  And don't try to say that I can't either, I just don't know it, because secretly your gun has been keeping me safe, because we both know that is bullshit.  I have had guns pointed at me, all  held by white men. A "regular" guy, a felon, and then some cops--sometimes cops in uniform, sometimes cops out of uniform, and not while I was being arrested.

Always some guy that wanted me to do something sexual I didn't want to do, who had a gun. So don't tell me your (mostly imagined and often second and third hand) horror stories. I've lived them.

And there are plenty of people that live in much less safe environments then the statistically "average" legal gun owner.  Your gun is not keeping them safer. 

And maybe the rest of us need guns to protect ourselves from you?  Yes, you, typical NRA supporter : white, middle and working class, man

Have you by any chance noticed the difference between a random shooting and crime?

Crime, at least, we can see coming.  It has a reason, outside of just "I have a gun and I want to shoot someone."  This isn't even like accidental spray from gang shootings (which mostly occur  in black and brown neighbourhoods, with illegal guns-- often guns that were legal before they were sold illegally or stolen).

There is no rhyme or reason, except in someone like James Holmes' head.  No predictable behaviour or sign.  Except in purchasing ammo.  If someone were tracking how much people were buying and who was buying it and why. Oh but you are against that, too.

And even though  in Lanza's case likely this never would have happened. A kid like Adam Lanza probably could not have successfully navigated purchasing ammo-- just getting away from his mother or a caretaker for long enough.  His shooting spree was almost solely due to the availability of weapons and ammo.

Lanza's mother was a "responsible gun owner" and she taught her children to "respect the gun". She was stockpiling ammo in case of one of the many hellfire and brimstone stories she and her NRA folks believe in came true.

Except that her actions were what brought the about the story fulfillment.

These random shootings are WAY fucking scarier than a crime of property or even sexual assault.  It is "death orgasm", and meant to be multiple.  The target doesn't matter. It is the person with the gun versus the people without the guns.  (Again, NRA, your stories come to life.)

And the increase in random shootings is directly related to the ease of purchasing guns and ammo in this country and the sheer number of weapons, a ratio unrivalled by even most war zones the worldover!

Adam Lanza and Dylan Kliebold and T.J. Lane-- all they want to do is kill.  Middle class, white men and boys.  (And guns are made for no other purpose. They are not at all "just tools" like screwdrivers.  They are not like cars and car accidents.  They don't screw in screws, they don't drive people places-- like driving people to the hospital that have gunshot wounds. Guns are tools of death. Period. STOP being ridiculous, if you can be.)

And when powerless but entitled feeling men don't get their way or they get angry at the world and don't know why all these people won't just "leave the country" or "go back where they came from" they grab a gun, a "killing penis", to go out and shoot a few people up before taking their own life.

But, oh that's right, you will be there to play hero and shoot 'em up faster.  Fuck everyone that doesn't have a gun, or if they aren't fast enough draw.

You NRA Party Line people are basically saying the same things that these random shooters are saying. You are the flip side of it, you're the armed "hero" who is going to take them out.  You are both having the same fantasy.  You are just facing each other with your guns.  And the rest of us are running for cover.

I have a lot more to say.  But I thought I would start there.